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Gay couple ‘kicked out of Soho pub for kissing’

John Snow pub under fire for allegedly asking a gay couple to leave for kissing

The John Snow pub, Soho, found itself at the heart of a Twitter storm for kicking out a gay couple.

Two men say they were asked to leave a pub in Soho on Wednesday night for kissing while on a date. Despite protestations from other patrons at the John Snow pub, which is owned by the Samuel Smith brewery, the couple say they were manhandled and forcibly removed from the premises. No one at the brewery was available for comment this morning.

One of the couple, 26-year-old Jonathan Williams, posted a tweet about the incident late on Wednesday. This morning he gave So So Gay his account of what happened.

Jonathan Williams says he was kicked out of a pub for a kiss. Photograph: Katherine Williams (used with permission)

‘Halfway through the first drink in the pub, a slightly drunken man approached us somewhat politely asking us to stop kissing. Because he had turned to face us to ask us to stop, I politely suggested he turn around instead. He then claimed to be the landlord, but since he was holding a pint, was visibly intoxicated and was standing on the customers’ side of the bar we took little notice.

‘Later, when we were kissing – not in any confrontational way, but simply on the mouth – a uniformed member of staff approached us. She said she was the publican, but refused to give us her name, or to give her name to the people sitting next to us when they asked. She told us we had to leave, to which we replied that we had no intention to.’ Williams alleges that he was then manhandled by someone in the bar and told to leave.

‘After more arguing, raised voices and our repeatedly asking for the woman’s name, we relented when a person claiming to be a plainclothes officer showed me something that looked like a badge. I’m not sure if it was, looking back, but he also gave us what he claimed was his badge number and his name. At that point we left, me shaking with anger and James furious.

‘From what I understand through Twitter, the people sitting next to us then challenged that we’d been kicked out and were also asked to leave. ‘

Williams said he would not be leaving the incident there. ‘I plan to go back tonight and find out who the on-duty manager was,’ he told us. ‘I’ll also write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as I can, asking if they really think it’s wise to be removing people for harmless public displays of affection in a bar that is right in the heart of the city’s gay district.’

By Thursday morning there had been a strong reaction on Twitter, with posts by well-followed tweeters including actor Emma Kennedy and Times columnist Caitlin Moran. So So Gay asked the Samuel Smith brewery, which owns the pub, for comment, but no-one was available.

This follows a similar incident in 2010, when The Greencoat Boy pub in Westminster asked an LGBT Group to leave the pub. The resulting media and Twitter storm resulted in a full apology and compensation from owners Punch Taverns. So So Gay will continue to monitor this story, and will bring you updates as it develops.

Tom Wicker has responded to commenters who suggest that gay couples should avoid kissing in straight bars – ‘What price a kiss?’

UPDATED: This article has been amended since it was originally published.

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56 Comments

  1. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:17

      At least they tried to get something “Samuel Smith, who own the pub, have yet to respond to So So Gay’s request for a comment.”

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:17

      At least they tried to get something “Samuel Smith, who own the pub, have yet to respond to So So Gay’s request for a comment.”

    • EP

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:33

      Two of my friends confronted the publican afterwards, asking if it was legal for them to throw Mr. Williams out. They were subsequently also removed from the pub.

      • Tom

        14 Apr 2011 at 11:49

        Yes, when in a pub or bar you’re classed as a guest of the landlord; as such you can be asked to leave if they no longer want you there for whatever reason. However, I don’t believe they can discriminate on the basis of sexuality, race, etc…

        More usually its dress code (no trainers/workwear) or age, any of which is allowed! Only SIA registered door staff are allowed to physically remove patrons though, and are trained to do so.

        Of course, there is no place this behaviour from the landlords in any public house or bar in the UK!! Well done sosogay for bringing this to everyone’s attention

  2. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  3. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  4. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  5. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  6. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  7. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  8. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  9. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  10. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  11. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  12. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  13. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  14. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  15. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  16. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  17. CornwallMatt

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:00

    Lazy single-issue reporting, providing an aggrieved party with a soapbox to air his version of events.

    Mr Williams’ story is so full of unimportant wishy-washy drivel and so empty of hard fact as to be laughable – he says that he will “write a letter of complaint to head office as soon as [he] can” – I assume that he will find some time after his next round of media interviews is over. It is a great shame that So So Gay is so full of its own self-importance as to publish this story in this form.

    I would like to point out that if Mr Williams and his silent partner were entirely innocent in this incident, were not antagonistic or inappropriate, and behaved as model citizens in the face of horrific prejudice from the intoxicated landlord, the nameless publican, and potentially the possible plain-clothed policeman (I’m unable to tell whether he’s a goodie or a baddie in this story) then they deserve all the support that we can muster for their campaign.

  18. Rylan Holey

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:02

    Shame on the publicans at John Snow – one of my favourite pubs in London.

  19. stuart

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:04

    As a gay man i would love to stick up for you here, but after hearing thefull story I can’t really blame them for throwing you out.

    Not being funny, but if you are in a straight bar and asked to stop kissing then maybe you should of done so. That or left on your own accord and gone somewhere more gay friendly (you were in soho afterall).

    Yes I know that it shouldn’t matter if you are gay/straight and kissing in any bar, but people in that pub may of choose to drink there because it was a straight bar – if they wanted to see gay people kissing then they would of gone else where.

    If the pub/manager was homophobic then you should of takenthe first comment as a cue to take you business elsewhere, not provoke anyone by continuing your actions then expect an apology when asked to leave.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:15

      If I go into a gay bar i do not ask straight couples kissing to leave. There should be no discrimination either way. I personally am not a fan of full on snogging in pubs if it’s either way, but that’s besides the point.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:15

      If I go into a gay bar i do not ask straight couples kissing to leave. There should be no discrimination either way. I personally am not a fan of full on snogging in pubs if it’s either way, but that’s besides the point.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:15

      If I go into a gay bar i do not ask straight couples kissing to leave. There should be no discrimination either way. I personally am not a fan of full on snogging in pubs if it’s either way, but that’s besides the point.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:15

      If I go into a gay bar i do not ask straight couples kissing to leave. There should be no discrimination either way. I personally am not a fan of full on snogging in pubs if it’s either way, but that’s besides the point.

      • Tds301

        21 Apr 2011 at 23:11

        you go into str8 bars?? Ew.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 11:15

      If I go into a gay bar i do not ask straight couples kissing to leave. There should be no discrimination either way. I personally am not a fan of full on snogging in pubs if it’s either way, but that’s besides the point.

    • Jonathan

      14 Apr 2011 at 12:10

      No, Stuart, not you’re not ‘being funny'; you’re apologising for blatant homophobia. How is kissing in public offensive? I can’t imagine they would have been asked to leave if they’d be a straight couple. It’s not as if they were having sex – unacceptable in pub whether you’re gay or straight!

      Would you say the same if someone had been ‘provocative’ by being black and offended some nasty little bigot’s sensibilities? They had every right to stay and certainly should expect an apology from the manager involved and Samuel Smiths. This sort of attitude is simply not acceptable any more.

    • Xxx

      15 Apr 2011 at 06:41

      It goes against licensing laws to discriminate on grounds of sexuality, race, gender, disability etc in a licensed premises and the law is in place to strip the landlord of his licence. Let’s see if it does…..

    • Anonymous

      24 Jun 2011 at 14:15

      This is blatent homophobia. Nothing more. Yes you can be a total homophobe and gay…

  20. Richard Kiddle

    14 Apr 2011 at 11:59

    Get a room next time!

  21. Chris P

    14 Apr 2011 at 12:02

    It’s one thing being asked to tone down your behaviour, gay or straight, it’s another being made to leave in an agressive and embarassing way.

  22. Hugo

    14 Apr 2011 at 12:36

    How on earth can kissing constitute being offensive? You’ve just got to ask the question whether it is acceptable for the landlord to have turfed out a black or Jewish couple on the same grounds.

    Of course it’s not. This is homophobia.

    • Andy

      14 Apr 2011 at 12:56

      But they weren’t kicked out for being gay – they were kicked out for snogging, then ignoring management when asked to tone it down!

      • James Bull

        14 Apr 2011 at 17:55

        The fact is, we did tone it down. It was very literally a peck as we were getting ready to leave that brought the two publicans and off-duty-officer down on us. I’m sorry if that offends any of you but I am not sorry for giving my date a quick kiss on the lips.

        • Riz

          14 Apr 2011 at 19:29

          You have every right to do just that everywhere and anytime you want. A fathers kisses a mother on the school ground and it is perfectly normal. Why would your kiss be not acceptable?

          You had been homophobicly abused and you should pursue the matter. Sue them even. There is legal support there for just this type of thing. If you leave it, you will never, EVER be happy!

  23. Scott Westron

    14 Apr 2011 at 13:19

    Look forward to reading the full story on this.

  24. Gareth Evans

    14 Apr 2011 at 13:56

    I would like to be able to stand up as an openly gay man and say this was discrimination or blatant homophobia, but I don’t believe it was either.

    First, we have to remember that the pub in question is a straight pub. Secondly, we have to remember that some people are uncomfortable with public displays of affection in any environment – I, for one, do not want to walk down the street and see two people trying to ingest each other’s last meals, much in the same way I object to people spitting out great puddles of phlegm. It’s given that you would expect to see gay couples kissing in a gay venue, but not in a straight bar. And by being confrontational with the staff and clientele is almost inviting the couple to be queer bashed. Not every member of society is tolerant of other’s situations – we only have to cast our minds back to the Admiral Duncan for a painful reminder of that.

    The fact that the John Snow is in Soho is irrelevant – so are a lot of other straight pubs and – more importantly – dozens of gay venues where this would not have been an issue. I think the couple in question should show other members of society the same level of tolerance as they expect themselves. This article does the couple no favours – they just come across as a pair of whiny queens throwing their toys out of their prams.

    • Nigel Whitfield

      14 Apr 2011 at 16:20

      Really? “almost inviting the couple to be queer bashed”

      Which century do you live in? Do you think women in short skirts are almost inviting themselves to be assaulted too? Would a mixed race couple be inviting racist comments by kissing?

      Your solution seem, essentially, to be “Get back to the ghetto, and don’t frighten the horses.”

      If that’s what gay rights and acceptance means, then the only thing that’s being accepted is the requirement to act like a second class citizen.

    • Riz

      14 Apr 2011 at 16:39

      What are you on about? It is very disturbing to read your, a gay man’s view on what equality means. You think that when a man kisses a woman on the lips in a straight pub it is OK, but when two men does the same it is not.

      I will tell you just one thing Mr. Evans. If you had been living in United Kingdom during 60s you would be now in a prison cell for telling on an open forum that you are gay. It was illegal to be gay then. We all fought for that to change. And now you are telling us that we should be ‘respectful’ for the straight mentality?

      How very dare you!

  25. Frank

    14 Apr 2011 at 13:56

    It is often not a case of discrimination, rather the simple fact that punters and bar staff alike can’t stand Public Display’s of Affection.

    In my uni years, as a bar man, I told untold hundreds of gay and straight couples to stop kissing in various pubs and bars I worked in. All were of the belief that PDA’s (and ‘snogging’ defo qualifies) was not appropriate for the bar. They’d get a couple of warnings (light hearted, then a bit more serious) and most people sheepishly agreed to calm their passions. I didn’t always agree with the decision, but it was a blanket ban on ‘heavy petting’ across the sexual spectrum.

    The initial argument is a non-story, really. The facts are vague and seem sketchy at best. It is likely to be blown out of all propotion by the Twittersphere and lazy journos looking to fill space and tick boxes.

    The landlord does sound like a dick, mind, although I like the Snow as it’s cheap and a great location. It won’t stop me drinking there.

  26. HH

    14 Apr 2011 at 15:28

    Jonathan and James need to calm down and use some common sense. They had dozens of gay venues to choose from within a very short walking distance, so why pick an obviously straight pub? This has all the hallmarks of the recent story about the gay couple that sued the B&B owners – it sounds like a complete set-up and does the gay ‘community’ no favours at all. And yes, I’m gay.

    • Rylan Holey

      14 Apr 2011 at 16:24

      Do you even know Soho? For starters not every gay man wants to drink in a gay pub. I do not chose where i drink based on my sexuality all the time.

      Also the problem with the John Snow is that a lot of gays do go there. If i had decided to kiss someone there i would bloody well hope i did not get kicked out – and I would not have tried to set anyone up!

      • HH

        14 Apr 2011 at 16:44

        Do I know Soho? I’ve lived in London 17 years, so yes, I do. I take your point that being gay doesn’t mean that we should only restrict ourselves to gay pubs. My partner and I spend more time in straight pubs than gay ones (mainly because I like real ale and it’s in very short supply in gay pubs), but it would never occur to us to start getting fresh with each other in our Finchley local. There’s a time and place for everything.

        • Riz

          14 Apr 2011 at 17:00

          “There’s a time and place for everything.”

          What time the gentleman finds it appropriate to kiss your date?

          You sir, need to read history. If it had been the mid 60s, we would all be collected and sent to prison with Her Majesty’s pleasure. Freedom is none negotiable!

          Think before you write.

          • HH

            14 Apr 2011 at 17:10

            I’m well aware of history thanks, Riz. But we’re not in the 60s, we’re in the 21st century with a plethora of gay pubs, clubs, saunas etc. I still don’t get why they were surprised to get the reaction they got in a ‘straight’ pub. I’m convinced that some gay people are on a mission to wind people up and hope to provoke a response that they can than publicise and scream ‘homophobia!’.

          • Nigel Whitfield

            14 Apr 2011 at 18:00

            And some of us are on a “mission” to simply live our lives, and not to have to expect that if we want to do anything even a little bit gay, we have to look both ways, check there’s no one around who objects to gay people, and scurry back to the oh-so-welcoming gay scene, just to be absolutely sure.

            Really, some of the comments here come across as not little more than “we should be grateful we’ve got Compton St, don’t rock the boat by being obviously gay anywhere else”

          • Riz

            14 Apr 2011 at 19:31

            The simple fact that we still define a venue straight or gay is fact enough to say that equality is not yet working.

            NOT EVEN IN YOUR GAY HEAD!

  27. James Bull

    14 Apr 2011 at 17:54

    The fact is, we did tone it down. It was very literally a peck as we were getting ready to leave that brought the two publicans and off-duty-officer down on us. I’m sorry if that offends any of you but I am not sorry for giving my date a quick kiss on the lips.

  28. MarkyMark

    14 Apr 2011 at 22:31

    Under the Equality Act anyone, gay or straight, subsequently thrown out of the pub for protesting to the landlady about her action ALSO has a valid claim of discrimination against the pub. I would strongly encourage those others who were kicked out after challenging what happened to consider legal action and claim damages.

  29. Orange Lucozade

    14 Apr 2011 at 23:30

    Speaking as a “straight” I am disgusted by some of the separatist attitudes here, it does not matter if it was a gay or straight venue, the intolerance cannot be tolerated- he had a right to a personal display of affection in line with any other person, it’s pretty clear he did not. A fuss should be made, bigots should be shamed, and the battle should be fought on every front until it no longer matters to anyone.

  30. Sean Stevens

    19 Apr 2011 at 23:58

    There is no question that pub landlords are perfectly free to throw out customers. You are a guest in the licencee’s establishment. When asked to do (or not do) something and you refuse, a request to leave is to be expected. It was not discriminatory…they were not refused service on the grounds of sexuality, nor discriminated, they were merely asked not to continue an activity! They failed to comply with the request and it’s their own fault.

    There is not a right to kiss, or kiss in public.

  31. Sean Stevens

    19 Apr 2011 at 23:58

    There is no question that pub landlords are perfectly free to throw out customers. You are a guest in the licencee’s establishment. When asked to do (or not do) something and you refuse, a request to leave is to be expected. It was not discriminatory…they were not refused service on the grounds of sexuality, nor discriminated, they were merely asked not to continue an activity! They failed to comply with the request and it’s their own fault.

    There is not a right to kiss, or kiss in public.

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